<cole-h>
I don't think so, no. I mean, you could certainly try, but there are still Things To Do™.
<cole-h>
I don't think networking is implemented yet, though there was some recent investigation/breakthroughs in this space.
<cole-h>
(for example)
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<MichaelRaskin>
It is a good uestion is there is something that can be plausibly called Spectrum ready to use
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, not to use (the answer is no), but even to try to use as a whole Spectrum
<qyliss>
there is not, but I think we're getting fairly close
<qyliss>
i.e., close to the point where running a whole system is something that would actually be useful to the development effort
<qyliss>
and various pieces of the puzzle have been falling into place recently
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<markstos>
I'm a fan of how crosvm helps secure GUI apps with VMs, and read through some of the progress on Spectrum with interest. I also noticed that the LXD project added VM support in January, about the time this project was getting of the ground as well. There are reports that LXDs VMs can be used for graphics accelerated destkop apps as well. https://blog.simos.info/how-to-easily-run-graphics-accelerated-gui-apps-in-lxd-containers-on-y
<markstos>
our-ubuntu-desktop/ Are there parts of what LXD is doing that could inspire the Spectrum OS direction as well?
<qyliss>
looks like that just passes through the X11 socket, which is Very Bad for isolation
<qyliss>
In general, my instinct is that there's probably not all that much to learn from LXD -- I'm not sure that what it does is all that different to what other VM management systems do?
<qyliss>
And the interesting / difficult parts of Spectrum from a virtualization point of view mostly come from things that other VM management systems don't really do, like trying to put drivers and stuff into VMs and have very little running on the host
<qyliss>
From a design/usability point of view as well, Spectrum is also very different because 1) we have to design for everything being in a VM and 2) in Spectrum, VMs shouldn't be permanent objects that people think about in the same way they do with LXD -- in fact a Spectrum VM is probably much closer in spirit to a Docker container than an LXC/LXD "system" container.
<qyliss>
(while having very different security properties, of course)
<MichaelRaskin>
Not so different from idealised LXC container, but with different defense surface
<markstos>
@qyliss: Thanks for the reply. I continue to watch the Spectrum project with interest.
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<qyliss>
Think I'm going to bump TWiS to tomorrow this week because I'm tired
<cole-h>
Rest well, then.
<qyliss>
thanks :)
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